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Re: [Scheme-reports] Reformulated numeric-tower ballot
- To: John Cowan <cowan@x>
- Subject: Re: [Scheme-reports] Reformulated numeric-tower ballot
- From: Andy Wingo <wingo@x>
- Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 22:37:04 +0200
- Cc: scheme-reports-wg2@x, scheme-reports@x
- In-reply-to: <20140507230647.GD22201@mercury.ccil.org> (John Cowan's message of "Wed, 7 May 2014 19:06:49 -0400")
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Sorry for the delay; been hackin'.
On Thu 08 May 2014 01:06, John Cowan <cowan@x> writes:
> Andy Wingo scripsit:
My note was indeed inflammatory :) I don't mean to be mean, but I don't
like the way things are going right now. I have more harsh words below
but I don't know how to make them nice. They aren't about you, fwiw --
though speaking directly I think that although you can and do make great
contributions to language specification, the result would be better in
another context somehow.
>> This discussion is frankly ridiculous. Where are Dybvig, Flatt, Clinger
>> et al? Where is Feeley?
> Where is Wingo?
I don't have near the sagacity of the people I mentioned, and my
language design instincts are frankly bad. No false humility there :P
Anyway more to the point, I don't care enough to overcome my gripes with
the process. I don't think that the R7RS process is good for language
design or specification. There are several people voting in R7RS things
(big and small) whom I *actively do not want* making decisions about the
programming language I am most happy with. Like, people that have
written no code that I have ever seen, nor papers I found interesting,
etc. None. I feel that some people participate because of a love of
arcana rather than a generative, forward-looking love of the language
backed by enough experience not to advocate bone-headed things. Lisps
are like a drug for these people. With this kind of person there is
nothing that ties us together, and I do not respect their contributions
because I do not trust them as programmers. (Of course I can respect
them as people, but that's not germane to the issue at hand; and they
could be good programmers but I'd never know.)
Now, this is not very democratic of me. That is correct. I don't want
a whoever-shows-up process, because then I will end up arguing with
people whose contributions I do not respect, and I don't have time for
>> While I'm at it, where *is* the R7RS small final edition?
> It is at <http://trac.sacrideo.us/wg/raw-attachment/wiki/WikiStart/r7rs.pdf>,
> on the only site where WG members can post anything.
John I know this problem must be more frustrating to you than to anyone
else, but do fix it. Give Olin a call, his number is in the whois.
o/~ now let me stop sounding all bitter
hacker child never be a quitter
but don't be a phony in the litter
take it from a man who used to hack in busted-ass c code o/~
a tribe called quest, "phony hackers"
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