Re: [Scheme-reports] Reformulated numeric-tower ballot

[Andy Wingo <wingo@x>]

Hi!

Sorry for the delay; been hackin'.

On Thu 08 May 2014 01:06, John Cowan <cowan@x> writes:

> Andy Wingo scripsit:
>
> <flame>

My note was indeed inflammatory :)  I don't mean to be mean, but I don't
like the way things are going right now.  I have more harsh words below
but I don't know how to make them nice.  They aren't about you, fwiw --
though speaking directly I think that although you can and do make great
contributions to language specification, the result would be better in
another context somehow.

>> This discussion is frankly ridiculous.  Where are Dybvig, Flatt, Clinger
>> et al?  Where is Feeley?  
>
> Where is Wingo?

I don't have near the sagacity of the people I mentioned, and my
language design instincts are frankly bad.  No false humility there :P

Anyway more to the point, I don't care enough to overcome my gripes with
the process.  I don't think that the R7RS process is good for language
design or specification.  There are several people voting in R7RS things
(big and small) whom I *actively do not want* making decisions about the
programming language I am most happy with.  Like, people that have
written no code that I have ever seen, nor papers I found interesting,
etc.  None.  I feel that some people participate because of a love of
arcana rather than a generative, forward-looking love of the language
backed by enough experience not to advocate bone-headed things.  Lisps
are like a drug for these people.  With this kind of person there is
nothing that ties us together, and I do not respect their contributions
because I do not trust them as programmers.  (Of course I can respect
them as people, but that's not germane to the issue at hand; and they
could be good programmers but I'd never know.)

Now, this is not very democratic of me.  That is correct.  I don't want
a whoever-shows-up process, because then I will end up arguing with
people whose contributions I do not respect, and I don't have time for
that.

>> While I'm at it, where *is* the R7RS small final edition?
>
> It is at <http://trac.sacrideo.us/wg/raw-attachment/wiki/WikiStart/r7rs.pdf>,
> on the only site where WG members can post anything.

John I know this problem must be more frustrating to you than to anyone
else, but do fix it.  Give Olin a call, his number is in the whois.

Andy
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